Something is not adding up here.
I'm in Ontario Canada with my ODP. Everyone I have spoke to said that's all you needed for residential air conditioning. Seemed incorrect, but even the bosses said so, so I went with it.
I'm about a year and a half into working on these and I have my G2.
Now I'm seeing a lot of talk online about 313D and how you can challenge it if you have 2.5 years of experience. There's also a 2.5 year apprenticeship.
Now that doesn't make sense. So you can work in it without any certification and challenge the test after 2.5 years of work experience. Doesn't this make the apprenticeship moot? If somebody from OCOT says something to you 3 years in there's no penalty of working unlicensed if you say you're going to challenge the test.
Something is not adding up.
You're right, the whole system seems inconsistent. I have seen people challenge the exam while being an apprentice and also without a apprentiship.
Technically you can be fined by the OCOT for even helping a 313D install an air conditioner, unless you're an apprentice. So it doesn't make sense that those hours count.
I have heard of others that have included hours working on furnaces, as a G2, simply because there is an air conditioner installed.
What a crazy system.
Do you know if I can have a 313a employee just sign-off on me to challenge? My boss doesn't even have his d/a. I'll probably have to fill out 100 dates on jobs I have completed. This is insane.
My Advise to you is to go with the flow and if you try to swim against the current you will get tired and drown.
Quote from: Ilija Atanackovich on June 29, 2016, 11:09:26 PM
My Advise to you is to go with the flow and if you try to swim against the current you will get tired and drown.
that is some fortune cookie stuff right there
Quote from: Ilija Atanackovich on June 29, 2016, 11:09:26 PM
My Advise to you is to go with the flow and if you try to swim against the current you will get tired and drown.
That's the plan. Would I have to start from 0 if I went apprenticeship now though?
Quote from: moves on June 29, 2016, 08:46:10 PM
What a crazy system.
Do you know if I can have a 313a employee just sign-off on me to challenge? My boss doesn't even have his d/a. I'll probably have to fill out 100 dates on jobs I have completed. This is insane.
Interesting question about whether a 313A can sign you off if you were to challenge 313D. You shouldn't have to provide dates of jobs you completed. Follow the lengthy challenge process and you'll see what they ask. Remember the 313A is 9000 hours, or about 5 years, and the 313D is 4500 and 2.5 years.
Quote from: Admin on June 29, 2016, 07:11:15 PM
I have heard of others that have included hours working on furnaces, as a G2, simply because there is an air conditioner installed.
The OCOT has confirmed that they do allow this. I suppose because the 4500 hours with our Canadian winters is blatantly obvious that no residential air conditioning technician is going to get 4500 hours of experience on a/c equipment within 2.5 years. It would probably be more than 5 years working long hours and full time to actually have 4500 hours experience on air conditioning. Just imagine dragging out your HVAC career longer than Doctors? And if you were to go for your 313A? By the time you're now legal to work, you're now too old and too burned out to bother touching equipment anymore.
QuoteDo you know if I can have a 313a employee just sign-off on me to challenge?
I had a 313A sign off on my hours when I challenged the 313D.
Awesome. You didn't have to fill out dates you completed specific job tasks for a challenge? Everything I read says you have to fill out the apprentice like package.
They just recently made a bit of changes on their site to forms and stuff. Shockingly, they also jacked up their prices. With the latest forms, you're looking at around $265.55 to pay for the whole challenge process (this doesn't include the cost to do the exam, which is another nice fee to pay). They do reference needing to complete the CAP form, but when you follow those rules exactly, the guide in the CAP lists it at starting on page 5, and it seems to end on page 8. The longer version is the actual detailed Skill Sets in the guide. Filling all that out would require sending in TONS of paperwork to challenge. Not to mention causing carpal tunnel problems for both you and your employer with endless signatures and dates. I believe the larger section is for people doing the actual apprenticeship.
You need to find the latest document for what's required to challenge and follow those requirements to the letter. You start by following the specific instruction in the TEA guide. Then you'll need to also fill out the TEA form. You do the CAP also, and then all the other government ID and company letters, etc.. You need to provide plenty of good information for them.