FYI
full details on the new GreenON Rebates Program rules and eligible products ... (http://files.constantcontact.com/b606d915201/86f6232b-a18a-4c57-b91c-a6a502fd8e06.pdf)
at least they have come to their senses and will allow air source heat pumps on non electrically heated homes
with a $3500 rebate for an ASHP, someone wanting to replace their current furnace and air conditioner, pretty attractive
Thank you Dave. I added this info to the Rebate page,
http://www.hvactechgroup.com/index.php/topic/rebates
I wonder if we can apply for both the SaveOnEnergy and GreeenON when installing a heat pump. It looks like the GreenON rebates involve completing an energy audit.
I didn't see the audit part for GreenON, but makes sense as that program involves windows and insulation
Here's a cut and past from some info I received, but I haven't read it all over yet.
Be a lot simpler if they just allowed the air source on non electric under the existing program.
How does this program and Save on Energy Heating & Cooling program interact?• GreenON Rebates Program and the Save on Energy Heating & Cooling program are complementary programs - contractors must sign a Participation Agreement for each program to be listed as a Participating Contractor
• Air Source Heat Pumps (ASHP) are an eligible measure in both programs
• Both programs have the same product eligibility and rebate values
• Note that a project is not eligible for rebates from more than one program (no 'double-dipping')
• Note that as of the launch of GreenON Rebates Program, homes with any existing fuel type (not just electrically-heated homes) are now eligible for a rebate for an ASHP and the rebate values have increased
SaveOnEnergyFurnace with ECM
SEER 18 CAC
Circulator Pump
Air Source Heat Pumps for electrically heated
Smart thermostat for electrically heated
GreenONInsulation & Air Sealing
ENERGY STAR® 2017 Most Efficient
Windows (additional U value criteriaapplies)
Air Source Heat Pumps for non-electrically heated
Ground Source Heat Pumps (system, unit and loop replacements)
UpdateI just spoke to my contact at HRAI to clarify a few things
- Under the GreenON program, there is no need for an energy audit like the Enbridge program, but more information needs to be submitted with the application
- The $3500 rebate for the ASHP, which I think most people will find the AHRI# involves the installation of and ECM furnace, supposedly includes the $250 ECM rebate
- The applications are made on the same site
- Theoretically one could apply for the ASHP under the GreenON, and the ECM furnace under SaveOnEnergy, but I think after my enquiry that will not happen
I thought the OPA ECM Furnace rebate of $250 expired December 31, 2017.
QuoteBoth programs have the same product eligibility and rebate values
If you compare at the SaveOnEnergy Rebate values to the GreenON rebate values, they appear to be different.
SaveOnEnergy - http://www.hvactechgroup.com/files/OPA%202017%20Incentives.pdf
GreenON - http://www.hvactechgroup.com/files/GreenON%20Rebates.pdf
Ductless AS HP = SaveOnEnergy $1000 / GreenON $1900
Ductless MP AS HP = SaveOnEnergy $1250 / GreenON $2500
Ducted AS HP = SaveOnEnergy $1250 / GreenON $3250
Cold CLimate Ductless AS HP = SaveOnEnergy $1500 / GreenON $2500
Cold Climate MP Ductless AS HP = SaveOnEnergy $1900 / GreenON $3000
Cold Climate Ducted AS HP = SaveOnEnergy $4000 / GreenON $5500
That's good to hear there are no audit requirements.
You can't double dip, its says so in the terms
Quote from: Admin on December 07, 2017, 05:17:58 PM
I thought the OPA ECM Furnace rebate of $250 expired December 31, 2017.
That's good to hear there are no audit requirements.
Yes, the current program for ECM does expire Dec,31, 2017 but is extended for the 2018 year. And it would indicate they have plans to continue on till 2020... depending on what happens this coming election year I suppose ;)
That audit thing was a pain and an expense for consumers. This ASHP on gas/oil is pretty attractive, and should enable moving some boxes besides 13/14 SEER A/C's. They sure killed off our 16 SEER sales with the changes made earlier this year.
QuoteThe Independent Electricity System Operator (IESO) and Ontario's Local Distribution Companies are pleased to announce that they will continue to offer the existing Heating and Cooling incentives, including eligible ECM equipped furnaces which will continue be offered on installations completed before December 31, 2018.
Please be advised that the current participation agreement (signed in 2017) will carry over until 2020 .
Off topic but is it cheaper to run a heat pump on top of a furnace and use the furnace for auxiliary heat?
Download the Enbridge 2017 Fuel Comparison Chart for Ottawa - Here (http://www.hvactechgroup.com/files/Fuel%20Comparison%20Chart%20Ottawa%20April%202017.pdf)
I would say it's still cheaper to run a natural gas or propane furnace versus an electric heat pump, in our area.
Quote from: Admin on December 10, 2017, 09:37:21 AM
Download the Enbridge 2017 Fuel Comparison Chart for Ottawa - Here (http://www.hvactechgroup.com/files/Fuel%20Comparison%20Chart%20Ottawa%20April%202017.pdf)
I would say it's still cheaper to run a natural gas or propane furnace versus an electric heat pump, in our area.
Not sure how biased that is coming from Enbridge.
I'd like to see some numbers using a cold climate high efficiency heat pump.
I'm pretty sure that chart is referring to an electric furnace. This Natural Resource (http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/energy/publications/efficiency/heating-heat-pump/6831) website says,
QuoteEnergy Savings
You may be able to reduce your heating costs by up to 50 percent if you convert from an electric furnace to an all-electric air-source heat pump. Your actual savings will vary, depending on factors such as local climate, the efficiency of your current heating system, the cost of fuel and electricity, and the size and HSPF of the heat pump installed.
I've only ever installed heat pumps as dual fuel systems for clients using a propane furnace. They've always said they save money. I just wonder how things are these days with our higher hydro costs.