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GMVM96 enigma
« on: December 09, 2017, 04:19:36 AM »
Hello, hello.

Well. Damn. This service call is killing me. I cannot figure it out for the life of me.

A goodman modulating furnace. GMVM960603BXBA

Originally, the problem was that the gas valve's pressure was wonky. The ignition happened and then the pressure would gradually reduce until finally winking out.
The inlet pressure was 7.8 w.c.   I changed the gas valve and it worked fine ... for about five minutes and then ceased to open completely. No weird modulation, it just simply refused to open with a brand new gas valve.

The pressure is still 7.8.  When the HSI ignites, 26 volt gets delivered by brown wire (terminal 7) to the gas valve. The low fire pressure switch closes fine. (It's in series with the neutral wire of the gas valve. Terminal 8)  The grounding seems fine. I get continuity to ground on neutral transformer of 120 and 24 side, as well as all other neutrals.  Just to improve the grounding, I've ran some bared wire around a rigid gas pipe and attached it to the chassis of the furnace. That didnt help. Grounding the gas valve's neutral wire to the chassis, or the ground wire of the supply voltage didnt help either.  Running 24 volt directly from the transformer to the gas valve failed to open it, or do anything what so ever.  Changed the gas valve 'again', along with the control board, and all pressure switches for some weird reason. No difference.  Gas pressure is still 7.8. The Water Heater is working just fine, the pressure drops to 7.0 when the water heater kicks in. Used an independent transformer that ran 27 volt to the gas valve direct from an independent 120 volt line that's not being used by anything else. No difference. The tubing between the Gas Valge's pressure switch connection and the back of the High Fire pressure switch is clean from any debris, as are obviously all other tubings. Tried running the furnace with exhaust pipe disconnected. No difference. Set the system to stick to low fire only, and high fire only just to see if this changed anything. No difference. Certain it would be no different, I used the gas piping that lead to the water heater to connect to the furnace gas valve instead. It shouldnt have helped and it didnt. Just because I had another one with me, I changed the gas valve the third time. Just figuring all these experiments managed to somehow burn something out. No ... difference.  Got an enercare friend of mine to swing by and do a pressure check at the meter side, he's still reading 7.8ish and his manometer is not digital.

The only electrical part that I havent changed is something that helps the ventor motor modulate. It's the only remaining aspect I havent explored. And I gather that the gas valve modulation is happening due to ventor motor modulation. But if it was wonky, then it might be that the gas valve would act strange, not completely and totally refuse to open. I feel like I'm missing something. Has anyone encountered something similar?

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Re: GMVM96 enigma
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2017, 08:53:07 AM »
What lockout codes were you getting?

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Re: GMVM96 enigma
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2017, 09:35:20 AM »
Just E0. lockout due to failure to ignite after 3 tries.

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Re: GMVM96 enigma
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2017, 01:14:26 PM »
The ignition sequence goes as far as HSI igniting. It just doesnt open the gas valve, so there is no flame to sense.

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Re: GMVM96 enigma
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2017, 02:48:42 PM »
Put in a foreign non modulating valve and locked it into high fire. Got ignition.

Noooot exactly the solution I'm looking for, but definitely confirmed the electrical portion as solid.

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Re: GMVM96 enigma
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2017, 07:21:29 PM »
Front cover pressure switch fault, or the manifold pressure.  I've fought with a couple of these units.  There is a bulletin on adjusting the minimum fire manifold pressure.  Give Victor @ Goodman a call, he can send you the bulletin.

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Re: GMVM96 enigma
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2017, 07:32:53 PM »
On some of these units it was as easy as taking the connections off the front cover pressure switch and then putting them back on and voila everything works fine again.

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Re: GMVM96 enigma
« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2017, 07:37:49 PM »
Download Goodman Bulletin SF-065 and SF-067.

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Re: GMVM96 enigma
« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2017, 07:43:14 PM »
Download Goodman Bulletin SF-065 and SF-067.

Yep those are them, keep in mind the front cover switch one is only for the 40" models, even though the same thing happens on the newer 36" models.

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Re: GMVM96 enigma
« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2017, 07:49:15 PM »
The front cover switch is not the issue.

The manifold adjustment though is more curious. I mean they are specifically covered by stickers saying "Do not adjust".

Granted that at the current moment, the gas valve does not open at 'all', meaning there is zero manifold pressure. But maybe once I start turning, it'll change.

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Re: GMVM96 enigma
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2017, 07:50:48 PM »
The front cover switch is not the issue.

The manifold adjustment though is more curious. I mean they are specifically covered by stickers saying "Do not adjust".

Granted that at the current moment, the gas valve does not open at 'all', meaning there is zero manifold pressure. But maybe once I start turning, it'll change.

Just make sure you adjust the right one, there's 2 of them.

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Re: GMVM96 enigma
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2017, 07:53:41 PM »
Yeah. I read. Then again, where is the issue? The furnace worked before and then it stopped, regardless of having the gas valve being changed multiple times. I can see the old valve losing calibration, but new ones coming in uncalibrated? Uncalibrated to a point of not even opening?

But I'll definitely try. Admittedly, I didnt bother with these ports, on account of 'do not adjust' stickers. Should've, actually. I mean, heck I did everything else.

It wasnt the cover switch though, one of the very first things I bypassed.

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Re: GMVM96 enigma
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2017, 07:54:34 PM »
The front cover switch is not the issue.

The manifold adjustment though is more curious. I mean they are specifically covered by stickers saying "Do not adjust".

Granted that at the current moment, the gas valve does not open at 'all', meaning there is zero manifold pressure. But maybe once I start turning, it'll change.

Just make sure you adjust the right one, there's 2 of them.

When the issue is manifold pressure. Does the valve fails to open enough for proper flame, or does it fail to open at all? As in, zero gas coming out?

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Re: GMVM96 enigma
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2017, 07:55:48 PM »
This furnace and the AMVM have given me all kinds of weird unexplained issues over the last couple of years.

I cringe when I see our sales guys sell them.

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Re: GMVM96 enigma
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2017, 07:57:24 PM »
The front cover switch is not the issue.

The manifold adjustment though is more curious. I mean they are specifically covered by stickers saying "Do not adjust".

Granted that at the current moment, the gas valve does not open at 'all', meaning there is zero manifold pressure. But maybe once I start turning, it'll change.

Just make sure you adjust the right one, there's 2 of them.

When the issue is manifold pressure. Does the valve fails to open enough for proper flame, or does it fail to open at all? As in, zero gas coming out?

I've never seen it happen when the valve doesn't open at all.

Did you try getting a new wiring harness for the furnace, could be something as dumb as that.

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Re: GMVM96 enigma
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2017, 10:18:35 PM »
I definitely plan to try. Problem is that the temporary non-modulating valve that I stuck there opened just fine and is working. So if it was just a matter of a crappy electrical connection, that other valve wouldnt open either.

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Re: GMVM96 enigma
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2017, 10:24:15 PM »
Would anyone be able to PM me Viktor's phone number. I thought I had it recorded somewhere, but evidently I dont.