Vent Free Gas Fireplace & Bonding

Started by oldguy2, October 15, 2012, 03:04:54 PM

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oldguy2

no vent free fireplaces will be sold in ontario. so it is written so it shall be. are we allowed to install ventless gas fireplaces outside? on a porch or deck. ive seen this being done??? and also i'm not up to speed on my propane codes. do the gas lines have to be bonded. ty if you reply

Admin

Ventless outdoor appliances are approved as long as they are certified for use in Ontario (CSA, ULC, ETL etc.)

Having a certification stamp doesn't always mean it's approved in Ontario though, as we have seen with Torino Corp losing their ETL certification.  See Director's Order FS-137-08

Currently Clause 4.7.1 is used to enforce the bonding requirements with both natural gas and propane installations.  The bonding requirements will depend on the type of material being used and on the installation of the existing gas line.  Usually the standard bonding connection at the furnace or water heater is all that is required.  Certain types of CSST may require additional upstream bonding.  

See the thread on CSST bonding requirements - Here

lmetcalfe

installation code 6.14.6

piping or tubing shall NOT be used as a electrical ground. An electric circuit shall not utilize piping or tubing in lieu of wiring, except for a low voltage control circuit, ignition circuit, oe electronic flame detection device circuit incorporated as part of an appliance.
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Admin

Clause 6.14.6 does not apply to bonding, it only applies to grounding.

See the thread on Bonding - Here

When the B149.1-10 code is adopted in Ontario, December 1, 2012, the bonding requirements will be enforced using Clause 4.7.3.

QuoteClause 4.7.3 - All interior metal gas piping that may become energized shall be made electrically continuous and shall be bonded in accordance with the requirements of the local electrical code or, in the absence of such, the Canadian Electrical Code, Part I.

Admin

Clause 4.7.3 is amended as per the Gaseous Fuels Code Adoption Document Amendment FS-200-12 which takes effect December 1, 2012.

Quote4.7.3 All interior metal gas piping that may become energized shall be made electrically continuous and shall be bonded in accordance with the requirements mandated by the Electrical Safety Authority.
Note: Refer to ESA Bulletin 10-14-2 and subsequent amendments

Please note ESA Bulletin 10-14-2 has been replaced with ESA Bulletin 10-14-6.